Dashing out the door this morning so that I wouldn't miss my ride to coronation sq , here we met Dave as he was getting there the same time as Phil and I drove in. walking down the parking lot as a warm up I wonder how many runners actually warm up proper before going out for a run, MY warm up usually consists of running slow at the start and once I feel loosened up i go a bid faster and gradually I'm going at my normal pace, I know its not how it is supposed to go, but it seems to work for me , I'm a bit stiff but I can still keep a good pace going. This morning we ran along the Holland creek trail and this always seem to warm you up in a hurry , mainly because it is a tough hilly route that we go on and not stopping on the uphills were even mountain goats would have trouble keeping a steady pace . Getting to the top of the trail we go past the reservoir to continue our run towards the chicken ladder here its a bit easier and the slope has turned into a gradual uphill to the end of the trail. having my GPS with me we ended up doing  some more hill climbing . by going up the chicken ladder to find a Geo Cache. seeing the coordinates were jumping around to much, I found it better not to continue and turned around and we ended up running along Holland creek , towards Coronation sq in Ladysmith were we ended up for  some refreshments before heading home,